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Entry tags:anti-semitism, cairo speech, existential threat, israel, jewish supremacy, jfk, pm netanyahu, president obama, usa

Is President Obama an Existential Threat to the Jewish State?
The fallout from President Obama’s Cairo speech is still raining down. Al Qaeda, AIPAC and the Limbaugh-led GOP have basically condemned it, moderates in the “Islamic world” are cautiously optimistic, and the Netanyahu-led Israelis are nervous and jerky.

The big question is this - will the Israelis and their ardent US supporters see President Obama as an existential threat to the Jewish State?

The “special relationship” between the US and Israel has not been this stressed since JFK demanded a halt to Israel’s nascent nuclear weapons program, in the spring of 1963. Israel’s PM, David Ben Gurion resigned rather than comply. A few months later, JFK was gunned down in Dallas. LBJ gave the Israelis the green light to proceed with their nuclear ambitions.

I see a parallel dynamic developing. With a far-right Israeli government currently in power, somebody may be thinking the unthinkable. Is Biden as ruthless and self-serving as LBJ was in 1963? We shall see.

Here is a link to an excellent article appearing on Haaretz.com, with this ominous headline, “Loving Israel by hating Obama “, by Bradley Burston.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091234.html

It is an eye-opening, provocative piece that dares to expose a racist element in Israel-loving US Jews. I just had to comment.

Here is the text of my post:

Thank you, Mr. Burston, for having the courage and will to speak so openly on such a taboo subject. Please continue to inform us about issues that are uncomfortable and therefore often left out of the news and opinion sections of the mainstream media.

It appears that victimhood, in itself, does not confer righteousness upon the victims.

A history of being oppressed does not seem to engender a sense of collective compassion, sympathy or tolerance in the former victims.

On the contrary, former victims of hatred can become brutal perpetrators - this is true for individuals as well as for nations.

It is more than ironic when the Israeli government and Jewish NGO's speak out about "growing anti-Semitism" in Europe and elsewhere.

The world sees the apartheid wall, the Jim Crow system for Arab Israelis and the squalid Arab refugee camps.

When and if the Israelis abandon their notions about Jewish supremacy in Palestine, the world might genuinely eschew anti-Semitism.


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(Anonymous)
2009-06-10 05:31 pm UTC (link)
I agree with your statement, "former victims of hatred can become brutal perpetrators". Is there a "syndrome" named after that?
We should remove all U.S. support from either side of this fight.
Israel & Palestine won't get along until they all sit down together and smoke a giant bowl of Blueberry Haze.
house_of_pain

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[info]new_york_loner
2009-06-10 06:06 pm UTC (link)
I agree, House. Some blonde Lebanese hash or Afghani Kush might do the trick. I suggest Camp David as the venue for the "smoke-for-peace" summit.

Maybe Obama will break out with some Maui wowie. Gov. Schwartzenegger could supply some Golden State gold.... The American Indians could send a delegation to the conference, they know something about peace pipes and dealing with colonial invaders.

Obama needs to set a timetable for Israeli compliance, if the foot-dragging and intransigence continues, he should call for suspending US aid to the Jewish State. Grab 'em by the wallet and purse, that will surely get their attention.

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Victim - Perpetrator Syndrome
[info]new_york_loner
2009-06-10 09:25 pm UTC (link)
House_of_pain wrote, "I agree with your statement, "former victims of hatred can become brutal perpetrators". Is there a "syndrome" named after that?"

I Googled [victim perpetrator syndrome] and found some interesting stuff.

Apparently, there is something called, "Munchausen by Proxy (MBP),
a.k.a. Factitious Disorder by Proxy, Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome, and Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy". Here's a link:

http://www.mbpexpert.com/definition.html

I also discovered "False Memory Syndrome vs. Lying Perpetrator Syndrome", in an editorial from the Post-Traumatic Gazette. Here's the URL:

http://www.patiencepress.com/samples/4thIssue.html

Reading through those two pages leads me to believe that whole nations can and do suffer from post-traumatic stress disorders. If this is so, why is there little, if any treatment available?

The UN tries to feed and clothe the world's refugees, but mental health treatment for traumatized communities, peoples and nation states is beyond its current capabilities.





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Lost package
(Anonymous)
2009-06-10 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Hi loner,

I recently shipped a package via USPS, priority mail, signature confirmation, to Chicago.
The tracking number shows the package arrived at the post office, then disappeared, stolen.
The package contained a watch I had sold for $2500, I did not insure it.
Yeah I know, but it was too well packed to be damaged, and I thought it would make it. My question is who would I contact to be assured this was followed up on. I filed I think all the paperwork.

Thanks and best regards,

slacker

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[info]new_york_loner
2009-06-11 12:03 am UTC (link)
Slacker, if the paper trail ends at a Post Office, they are responsible for the parcel. Delivery Confirmation is a normally reliable system.

I would not assume that the parcel was stolen; pieces can and do get lost, mis-delivered, damaged and/or destroyed. The USPS will honor its commitment, IMO.

I would call the postmaster at the office that lost track of the piece and discuss the problem with him/her personally; don't get irate or threatening, do try to understand the difficulties the Postmaster is facing in resolving the problem.

Be firm, call them back every day until you get results. As a last resort, US Congressmen can be called upon to intervene.

Next time, consider sending the piece by Express Mail, a more tightly controlled system exists with those pieces; insurance is always a good idea on anything worth over 50 dllars, IMHO.

Sorry to hear about your loss, I hope my advice helps.

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Re: Lost package
(Anonymous)
2009-06-11 12:09 pm UTC (link)
loner, your advice does help, thank you for your response.
Best regards,
slacker

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[info]serr8d
2009-06-11 12:29 pm UTC (link)
Hey, Loner. Good to see you blogging again.

Ahhh, but you're on the Israel - Joooooooos! canard again. This is relevant, but as usual I find you on the wrong side of this issue. It's a shame I think that Israel (a tiny but powerful democracy located in the heart of a hateful Islamic morass) has to go it alone for the next cycle. Yes, we've turned our backs for the most part.

Obama is not a friend of Israel. Obama sees himself as above the USA; he's decided to become a post-American World Leader. It's going to be easy enough for him to side with the the sheiks and the Palis and ignore Israel. Obama's aim is to align the world in political lockstep, as much as possible; some people, and nations, have to be thrown under his massive bus. I knew this was coming. Jooooooos in America might think twice about voting Democrat (finally!) if they see how little Democrats care about Israel. We tried to tell 'em.

I think that you, Loner, are finally going to see things going your way, as far as the Jooooooooos. You've never had anything positive to say about a Jew I don't think. Obama, enshrining himself a the Friend of Islam, will, using his practiced Alinsky-trained nuances and his sly methodology of saying one thing and pulling unseen levers that cause opposite effects, undermine the nation of Israel. That eventuality is saddening and unfortunate as far as I'm concerned.

Oh...I think Obama's posing. Sphinxter.


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(Anonymous)
2009-06-26 05:32 am UTC (link)
The following was prepared, and posted on "The City Paper" board (Nashville)several days ago. You were away from home base and missed it there. It is not intended to be adversarial, per se. Please consider it an inquiry.

Loner: This lengthy “Introduction” seems appropriate to set the table.

Beginning with your initial post upon being readmitted to the board, I have read at least 90% of the material you have presented. You are among the few here who rarely engage in mere banter. You seem to take yourself quite seriously, so I accept your comments as expressive of deep-seated beliefs. Indeed, one’s belief system, coupled with the closely related mindset, will reflect a world view. Seeing that your views are at variance with mine on virtually every substantive matter discussed here, you do provoke thought.

Since you possess a penchant for often linking unrelated events/subjects to modern-day Israel, it would be enlightening if you would explain your apparent obsession with that nation. Why do you oppose the people, their religion, and their very existence? You obviously are thoroughly familiar with the nation established in 1948, and you do exhibit a degree of knowledge about ancient Israel. (Incidentally, I do not place today’s Israel in any eschatological framework.) At the same time, you portray the Arab world in a generally favorable light, and seem reluctant to criticize Islam, militant or otherwise.

Historically, caldrons of blood have overflowed in persecutions and wars, perpetrated under the banners of both “Christianity” and Islam. One can well appreciate your oft repeated disdain for “holy wars.” However, while you frequently connect them with Israel, I do not recall seeing anything from your prolific pen about the current atrocities of those wielding the sword for Allah. Even among the “moderate” Muslims, one unfavorable word about their prophet, Muhammad, and a riot erupts. Sharia has displaced the laws in several regions in Europe. It has begun to make inroads in the United States. But your criticism is reserved for Israel. In the realm of religion, you do often castigate “born agains,” your derisive designation for fundamentalist Christians.

Why posit these observations? It is axiomatic that discussions about politics or religion evoke fervent exchanges. Almost daily, we see some members of this board debate one or both of these contentious subjects. When you enter the fray, and inject Israel, you usually provide various historical references, covering the past 60 years. You also draw material from current events. However, missing is the taproot of your resentment. I have read posts on another board by like-minded individuals that seem to object to Israel having been granted any land by the United Nations. They too strongly favor the Palestinian Arabs. While I realize that many Zionists are aggressive, Israel’s “neighbors” are no less so, and a significant number would like to annihilate the nation.

Finally, there is the fear you often cite that we will become a theocracy. Now, if you were referring to a number of the original colonies, or some of the first states, a measure of plausibility could be allowed. However, with the passing of time, and especially escalating in the 1960’s and to date, secularism has largely displaced Biblical morality in the United States. Progressive thought has given us postmodernism, where everyone is right in his own eyes. No objective standards are permitted. This is hardly fertile soil for planting a theocracy. Look to Ahmadinejad ,with his belief in the 12th imam for someone who would force a theocratic regime on the world. Israel is an ally; Iran is an enemy. We have far less to fear from the Israeli government than the “Persian.”

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(Anonymous)
2009-06-26 05:44 am UTC (link)
Loner: I inadvertently omitted my posting name from the subject message. It is bnakat.

Thanks

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Is President Obama an Existential Threat to the Jewish State?
(Anonymous)
2009-06-28 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Mark from Georgia:

As usual loner defends tyranny over freedom. loner writes: "Thank you, Mr. Burston, for having the courage and will to speak so openly on such a taboo subject.: "

In fact Mr. Burston displays no "courage" or :"will" to write his thoughts in a free society with a free press. Mr. Burston has a popular column in one of the largest Israeli newspapers, his opinions represent a minority opinion in Israel. He has no fear of being murdered for his thoughts and ideas. In fact Israel is well known for its vigorous political debate and self criticism of its government, leaders and policies. The subject certainly isn't "taboo" as you falsely claim, in order to characterize Israel as repressive.

Unfortunately the Pals have no similar outlets. In fact speaking out against Hamas or Fatah(especially its leaders or policies) does take the "courage" and "will" you speak of because it simply isn't tolerated with the penalty of death enforced by the groups you love to defend.

You defend the right of the Pals...a group that never existed... and the formation of a new country(Palestine, that has never existed in history) over the right of the Jewish people(an undisputed group of people) to have a country(one that has existed in history). Frankly it's just bizarre.

BTW what was the point of your JFK nonsense. Hmmm, antisemitism as its best.

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Back from my hiatus. Part One.
[info]new_york_loner
2009-07-29 07:11 am UTC (link)
I must apologize to Serr8d, bnakat and Mark from Georgia for not replying to their articulate posts earlier. Another bout of blogger's burnout?

I just returned from my summer retreat and before posting a new journal entry, I owe them all a response.

First, Serr8d, I have said many positive things about Jewish people. Personally, I was delivered by a Jewish doctor who later saved my life, when I was three. My dentists have all been Jewish. Doctor Jonas Salk, A Jew, delivered my generation from the scourge of polio. We venerated Salk. I had several Jewish friends in the Army and at college. Today I have a few friends and associates who happen to be Jewish.

I have never denied the Holocaust or supported Islamic or any other brand of terrorism. The Jewish people have a right to exist in peace, but Jewish supremacy, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and Jim Crow are not the way to achieve this noble end.

Questioning the wisdom and efficacy of Zionism, as a means of saving the world's Jews from extinction, or the US-Israel "special relationship" does not automatically identify or qualify the questioner as an anti-Semite. I reject and resent any accusation of being an anti-Semite.

If Serr8d sees Obama as an existential threat to Israel, many others, both in Israel and in the US, probably see it that way too. Would Serr8d and his ilk support the Israelis if they assassinated Obama? Many might, if so, these "patriots" represent a potential, pro-Israeli, fifth-column operating right here in the states. Such deluded Americans are useful idiots for militant Zionism and faith-based, race-based colonialism. The US and Israeli War Lobbies depend on these dual-allegiance types for supporting questionable US actions in the ME.

Bnakat, I do not take myself all that seriously, as you suggest. I'm just a retired postal worker commenting on world events, online, here and on several other venues. If I come off as an elitist, I have somehow failed.

Bnakat wrote, "Why do you oppose the (Jewish) people, their religion, and their very existence?" I do not and have never opposed the Jewish people, their religion or their very existence. Where and when have I ever suggested any such nonsense? The accusation is without merit or evidence.

I have criticized all three Abrahamic faiths for their hypocrisy. All three believe that the ends justify the means. All have committed atrocities in the name of their God.

Again my motives are being impugned, again the anti-Semitic insinuation. That's character assassination, not debate.

I see militant Zionism as being largely a failure. The creation of a Jewish State in the British Mandate of Palestine was the UN's original sin. The UN's first peace envoy to the Holy Land, Count Folke Bernadotte, was gunned down by the Israelis. The Israelis ignored dozens of subsequent UN Resolutions.

Finally, when Pastor Rick Warren gets to host a presidential "debate", that's creeping theocracy. When a majority of Americans view the modern state of Israel as prophecy fulfillment, that's creeping theocracy. When "Bong hits 4 Jesus" was declared banned speech, by the SCOTUS, that's creeping theocracy. Need I say more?

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Back from my hiatus. Part Two.
[info]new_york_loner
2009-07-29 07:21 am UTC (link)
Mark, last but not least, thank you for monitoring this site. I hope somebody is paying you well for such boring duty.

Yeah, sure, free speech is alive and well in Israel. Tell that to Mordechai Vanunu. BTW, Vanunu claims that Israel masterminded JFK's assassination. He's back in custody, no doubt, he's back in solitary confinement. PM Rabin paid a price for his free speech, didn't he?

Check it out, Palestine was so-named by the Romans. FYI, neither Rome, Israel nor Palestine ever existed as modern-day nation states. Rome was a city state. The kingdoms of Judea and the other "kingdoms" of the tribes of Israel were all short-lived theocratic monarchies. Palestine was always considered a region, never an autonomous nation state. What's your point?

On the JFK Assassination, Qui bono? JFK gave Ben Gurion an ultimatum, Ben Gurion resigned rather than comply. After JFK was removed, a compliant LBJ gave Israel the green light for building its nuclear arsenal and for territorial expansion, in 1967.

Did LBJ immediately absolve the Israelis of all guilt in the USS Liberty incident, in June 1967, out of love for Israel or because the Mossad had LBJ by the balls? I believe the latter explanation is more plausible.

A new journal entry is forthcoming.

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